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The supposed healing power

Any solid evidence to support that there even is such?

Seems to me that the only reason people buy this theory is because Locke regaining his ability to walk & Sun's "miracle" pregnancy. Neither of those are really solid as we don't know why Locke couldn't walk, it's been suggested that it could have even been psychosomatic, in which case the cure would have been the same. In cases of bent/crushed nerves, just by falling down could fix that. As far as Sun goes, she probably was pregnant before she arrived on the island, and by the look on her face when she told Jin that she had not been with anyone else - there was nothing miraclous about it. Also, isn't it a bit of a contradiction of having a healing island with a deadly sickness? Just my 20 cents, as per usual. --skks 13:57, 29 March 2006 (PST)

Recently we have seen that Rose believes she was healed by the island. Russell 04:44, 13 April 2006 (PDT)

I created a new page yesterday called Healing properties that summarizes all the incidents where people have been healed, not healed (died), and seemed to heal at a normal pace. There is actually quite a bit of evidence to support the idea the Island has healing properties. --Sid67 07:42, 14 April 2006 (PDT)

Unless Juliet was lying at the station when they measured the progress of the baby, Sun got pregnant by Jin on the island, meaning Jin was healed by the island. --Secretsqurl 12:45, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

Cartography

removed from article page. This could have its own page, but needs the non-canon warning

Maps of the Island can be found here:
- http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/21/39/

An interactive 3d model of the island can be found here:
- http://www.blackrock.nl/images/stories/3dmap/java_applets/texturexl.html

If you look at the google earth lost map.kmz, just outside of the possible search area there are a number of islands, one of which is Canton island which is not too disimiliar in proportion to our Lost island.

The crash sites of the tail section and the middle section of the planes cannot be located (generally) where they were shown in the first episode of season 3. When the tailies moved to the camp of the other survivors in season 2, they hiked with the ocean to their left. If they were to walk from their crash site to the other location as shown in season 3, then the ocean should have been to the right.

Also, the science teacher said that "Monsoon season" was approaching. You generally don't have monsoons without a large landmass nearby. The large landmass creates a low pressure area as it heats up, and it draws the moist ocean air inland. So it is likely he was either wrong or the island is near something larger.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fearnoart (talk • contribs) .

Can anyone else get the two links near the top of this section to respond? If no, let's delete them.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 12:28, 3 July 2008 (PDT)

Bermuda Triangle??

What's the etiquette when it comes to removing other people's theories? I mean, this one can pretty safely dismissed since the BT is in the *Atlantic* ocean, ne?

Sulphur smell in shower

Water that sits in a water heater for a long time will acquire a sulphurous smell (like rotten eggs). Maybe Desmond just hadn't taken a shower in along time.

Which suggests it is possible he was not there for very long. This will be apparantly resolved in the season finale though.

Well water and other water from natural sources often smells sulfury. (As anyone who's drank well water on a farm. Ew.)

Often, sulphur dioxide is used to purify water; this leaves a residual 'rotten egg' smell.

It is not necessarily the case that water with a sulfer smell has been sitting in a heater for long. It can simply be from high mineral content. The water in Iceland, which is a volcanic island too, has a sulfer smell in most places on the island.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fearnoart (talk • contribs) .

Another Dimension?

Desmond sails away from the Island but is unable to find land, either due to navigational error , or the Island exists in another dimension , possibly a closed loop, and sails from the Island to the Island , or turns back, unclear. Faux Henry tells Michael to stay on a bearing of 325 to escape, that possibly beeing an opening into the dimension where the Island exists. Perhaps the electromagnetic forces cause a Philadelphia Experiment effect cloaking the Island , or creates other openings for things to pass through , accounting for Henry's balloon , the smuggler's plane , Flight 815 , the Black Rock ship etc. etc.

Tesseract

I think the island exists in a tesseract[1] and the heading of 325 is a doorway out of it. Maybe "incidents" like the one that drew in flight 815 and the one in the finale momentarily blow open the doorway, allowing the guys to detect the electromagnetic surge.--Tricksterson 09:38, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

It could be like the Lost Woods in "Legend of Zelda"; if you do not exit in a certain way, you are stuck there forever. --Amberjet11 15:17, 25 May 2006 (PDT)

Google map

About 70-10 kilometers northeast of the spot marked at 4.815 1.62342 on the Google map, there is an island of reasonable size. But it is still too small to be named or detailed on Google Maps. Any expert cartographers out there know anything about the identity or topography of this island?

I just proposed another island location on the main page and would be interested in your comments. 16 23' 42S, 158 4' 0"W Oodles 03:41, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

In Google earth, go to

14°17'14.81"S 167°30'55.57"E

you'll ahve to zoom out a bit, but there are a few islands in a vertical row. Ureparapara at the top, then reef islets and so on. I Recon the bottem 1 is the main lost island, because of the crator. What does everyone else think?

14°17'14.81"S 167°30'55.57"E isn´t possible: is too close to another places: is an island near to australia, is too close for desmond sailing find other near city.. --Fuzter lost 14:04, 27 April 2007 (PDT)

Indian Ocean??

Greetings... I haven't seen anybody else talking about this hypothesis, so I'm posting it here for public appreciation!...

If Flight 815 departed Sydney (UTC+10) at roughly 15 o'clock, and crashed 6+2=8 hours after takeoff, so they crashed at 23 o'clock in Sydney time. If whe then know exactly the local time where they crashed, we can know the timezone and so the approximate longitude of the island.

The Log printout says the System Failure that supposedly caused the crash occured at 16 hours. Now, if it was 23 in Sydney, so they must have crashed in UTC+3. This timezone is in the INDIC OCEAN, it's Africa's east coast. If they are there, they must be somewhere near Madagascar, Moçambique, Tanzania and Somalia.

This seems strange, but it helps a lot in explaining the controversal Black Rock ship and the Drug Smugglers' Plane.

So what do you think?? -- Nwerneck 17:36, 27 May 2006 (PDT)

Nice idea! There's also hard evidence to prove your point too! But one thing, where did you get the 6+2 hours from? Or did I miss something...? -- Stuartgr 15:18, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

...The time is from the Flight_815 page, second paragraph. The longer the flight took (including delay before takeoff, and the time trying to "get back to Fiji"), the more to the west the island must be located. The shorter the flight time (taking off at 14:15 and crashing right 6 hours after flight), the more to the east they must be.

If they had crashed during takeoff, in Sydney's airport, they would paradoxally had crashed two timezones to the east! ;) -- NIC1138 20:01, 30 May 2006 (PDT)

It's a good theory, but why would an airplane bound for LA go on the opposite direction?-- Sauron18 22:09, 30 May 2006

Yeah, anyone travelling from Sydney to LA would want to cross the Pacific...not the Indian and subsequent Atlantic Oceans. Adamholwerda

I've commented on this at Timeline:pre-crash as well. I like this idea a lot - it also explains the presence in general of Eko - it was an odd choice to include an African in the cast since African characters are few and far between on American TV. But of course it directly contradicts the stories of Rousseau and Desmond, who would presumably have known that they were in the Indian Ocean when their boats crashed. --Pedxing 07:56, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

Why does Eko's prescence need any explanation? It's already been explained in "?" that he was already in Australia as a priest and was (for as yet unknown reasons) planning to go to LA.--Tricksterson 10:23, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

I meant from the producers'/writers' perspective - there are very few African characters on American TV and perhaps they included an African person for a special reason other than just adding color and variety to the cast... --Pedxing 13:08, 1 June 2006 (PDT)

We Really Need An Image

We really need an image of the most important thing on the show. What do you suggest? One of those ocean shots? Pictures Of Rousseous' maps? Rousseou's Maps Redone by fans (more clear)? Or a combination? --Sauron18 16:17 June 04 2006

Map

Did someone ever try to draw a map of what we know of the island? John Locke BIGGEST fan

er...lemme see

None that we can be 100% are true. PS Segway (or what ever the hell your name is) sign your post on talk pages.--Captain Insano

Mittelwerk's Maps

Are Mittelwerk's maps of the island considered canonical? Either way, should'nt we at least mention it? --Sauron18 01:32, 22 July 2006 (PDT)

Gallery?

I was thinking that maybe we should make a Gallery for images of the island, since we're bound to be getting more and not necessarily more info, and considering this is TEH setting I'd say visuals are very important. Even if they're just images from the DVD, like the one here. --Sauron18 14:02, 1 November 2006 (PST)

Space station? Get real

Is it really worth mentioning (at the bottom, for what it's worth) that a handful of people think it's a space station on the far side of Earth's moon? I don't think so... Joel Van Atta 19:03, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Next time you see junk like that, just delete it, I just did. Definitely inappropriate for that section, and probably not relevant for the page since it's kind of a shameless plug for a website. --Pandora X 19:14, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Rename/Clarify page title?

Now that there are TWO islands, should this page include some sort of clarification that it is the crash island as opposed to the Hydra Island? I noticed an Island disamb. page, but perhaps more should be done? --The Swan 10:46, 11 November 2006 (PST)

Rename

I personally think it is bad form to have a "The" seperating this article from the Island disambiguation page, so I propose it be renamed to something like Main island or Crash survivors' island. --SilvaStorm

The guy above this section has the same point. --SilvaStorm

Disagree- it's been referred to as an entity enough times that "The Island" is as close to a proper name as we have. So far, it doesn't seem to be causing any confusion, and we'll probably get a new name for it when season 3 kicks back up. I'd suggest leaving it for now. -BearDog 17:31, 27 November 2006 (PST)

Disagree Keep it until we get an official name. Which I've been curious about since day 1. --Fezir 13:21, 30 November 2006 (PST)

Disagree --Nickb123 (Talk) 11:47, 2 December 2006 (PST)

Disagree Every character refers to it as "The Island"--LOCI! Disagree BUT! i see your point and the point should be addressed when a better name comes up

Disagree 'The Island' seems to me like a more suitable name. --J a m e s W. 18:08, 5 December 2006 (PST)

Disagree Keep present name. Robert K S 03:14, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Disagree "The Island" is a character within itself, dont change it. --lewisg 03:34, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Disagree - for the reasons stated above. -- Lost Soul talk contribs 07:19, 9 December 2006 (PST)

Disagree Besides typing in Main Island already links to this page, so no point in the changing it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.Leaf (talk • contribs) .
Disagree If we ever find out the "real" name of our pile of dirt, we can reconsider it. In the meantime, "The/the Island" is good.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 11:46, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

Request to delete

I think we have to delete this unanswered question from the main article: "If the submarine cannot come back to the island, how was the sonar beacon installed when the island cannot be found by the outside world?". The submarine can't return to the island only since the electromagnetic pulse, but before it the submarine could return! --Andreapasotti 13:20, 31 March 2007

The point is, the beacon being broken should be the same situation as the beacon not being built yet. This assumes that all the EMP did was break the beacon and satellite, and didn't form some kind of new field around the island. I'll try rewording it. --Jackdavinci 10:56, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

On the island reproduction isn´t possible

..... nobody born on the island.... and when anybody does (like aaron), another must die (like boone) (locke said "the sacrifice gave to island") who dies to gave birth ben? and what about alex? --Fuzter lost 13:54, 27 April 2007 (PDT)

Boone died on the same day as Aaron was born!!!!!!

--KevGGrif 10:43, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

Is the Island "just" an Island?

i felt that there were many references made to the the fact the the Island wasnt an island in The Brig

did anyone else think this?????????

--KevGGrif 10:43, 3 May 2007 (PDT)

I was thinking roughly the same thing. I still think it's an island, but I'm no longer sure it's situated on earth/in our dimension. Actually, I feel that some of the theories above, mentioning other dimensions and other sci/fi-type explanations are worth checking into further. a "rift in the space-time continuum" (read with a dramatic voice) could explain why a traveller (by boat, plane or submarine) would have to follow a specific bearing (325 to be able to go to and from the island. It would also open up for a somewhat simple (read "anticlimactic") explanation to everything about the island - quite possibly even the answer to the question why flight 815 was found with all passengers dead... --Noseman 2006 22:05, 3 May 2007 (CET)

Isnt that just an opinion put forward by locke's father? And since he says the he was crashed into and the medic smiled isnt it possible that he was 'collected' and brought to the island? Would seem like the most likely answer. And why would Ben have any reason to be honest to Locke about the "box"? JohnIRL 00:33, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

Or the Island could be something completely different in disguise. -Occono

incorrect metric/standard conversion

The following text was copied from 'The Island' page as of 5/12/07:

"According to the scale of Danielle Rousseau's maps it is 24.0 kilometers (38.65 miles) long along one side."

this is an incorrect conversion, 24.0 km is only about 14.9 miles. I would correct this myself but I don't know which is the original measurement.

Removed 'Unanswered Question'

Removed the following:

"* Why did everybody know or assume that it was an Island at all in the first place?

- Why was no effort made to circle the Island on the beach (which is obviously pretty safe) to gain geographical information?"

The first is basically a nitpick - It is an Island, how or why they assumed that isn't important or relevant and we're not going to be given an 'answer' to that. The answer to the second can be surmised from various information from the article or the show - at first they were waiting for rescue, but the Island is at least several days walk in diameter so it's uneccessarily dangerous for someone to go off exploring and wandering about to map it, especially when all they really want is to leave it anyway. Also, we've seen that it's not all beach round the edge.Liquidcow 01:31, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

There was an effort. Sayid set out to walk the perimeter, but was captured by Rousseau. When he got free and collected some maps, he wisely returned to the Camp.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 11:51, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

Where's the North?

In TTLG, Ben says that if he continues North, he will catch the Losties right before they arrive at the Radio tower. However, when we watch his map, the direction he was heading was where we thought west was. I assume that Ben had no reason to lie to Alex about this. I think this is something that really needs to be discussed, cause if the North is really where Ben says it is, than the Barracks are really near from the beach camp. I didn't know what was the best article to talk about this. If this is not, please redirect me.--Jflemonde 08:36, 27 May 2007 (PDT)

If the Radio Tower is indeed North from the Pascal Flats (their camping site), then it means the Beach camp is west, and to the East of it are the Pearl, and THEN the Barracks (which are also seen on the map). I think we should try to get as much of Ben's map as possible and try to form an overall picture. --Sauron18 18:58, 28 May 2007 (PDT)

Yes, I think that the most intelligent explanation is that the beach is on the west coast of the Island (about in the middle of the coast), instead of the southeast of the Island. That is a much better explanation than saying that the north is not where we thought was. But how come there is no article on the map of the Island on Lostpedia? I'm a map lover and I don't see enough of it here :) And we can find almost nothing about the locations (for instance, the location of the beach is not adressed at all on the "camp" page)--Jflemonde 15:05, 29 May 2007 (PDT)

True. Btw, this particular map is under "Ben's Map" as far as articles go, but I do think we should give it more attention. I've seen some very good image composites here and there, and if I could make one I would, but I think it would be very beneficial if we managed to find a composite of what we are shown in that map. --Sauron18 15:24, 30 May 2007 (PDT)

History

People

The history section mentions the different groups arriving at the island (Black Rock, Danielle; Dharma; 815 etc) but fails to list the Nigerian drug smugglers, balloonists, and round the world yacht racers that we know have also been trapped on the island. --Malessio 13:35, 30 May 2007 (PDT)mra

I'm not sure any of the drug smugglers arrived alive. I think the real, late Henry Gale was alone in his balloon. Desmond may have been the only yacht racer to encounter the Island. Add what you like and see what the community thinks about it.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 17:20, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

Locations

~~I have begun wondering about how many different locations the Island has had that our involved in our story. Here's my list:~~

The "Previous" Place: Not actually part of our story, but the Island had to come from somewhere.
The Black Rock: Where the Island popped up and stranded the ship.
The Drug Plane: Where the Island appeared and caused the Beechcraft to crash.
Flight 815: Where the Island appeared and caused Oceanic 815 to break apart following the system failure.
Swan Implosion: Where the Island went when Desmond turned the fail-safe key.
After Ben's Move: Where the Island will be at least at the start of season five.

If I'm anywhere close to being right that means that 815 broke up over the Island at a place other than the popular one in the vicinity of 4 degrees North and 162 degrees East.

The 815 breakup was somewhere else along the flightpath. We didn't see a purple sky, but the effect might have been left behind at the Drug Plane location or dissipated by the time the Others ran out of their buildings at the Barracks.
The 7418880 Electromagnetic Anomaly Detected event was where it moved to, allowing Penny and her father to locate the Island, she to undertake her rescue mission, he to dispatch the Kahana.

~~Comments?~~

Moved to Theories

--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 12:47, 6 June 2008 (PDT)

Island's name!

The island's name is Herbert Jablonski. In a interview in brazilian newspaper "Folha de S. Paulo", published today, Damon Lidelof answered the question about the island's name telling its name is Herbert Jablonski (without explanations). Link to the article: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/fsp/ilustrad/fq0110200727.htm Lucio Luiz 11:37, 1 October 2007 (PDT)

That's a nice link, but I think one has to have an account to actually see the article.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 16:24, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

The Island's influence off-the-island?

Is there a place here for mention of the foiling of Jack and Michael's suicide attempts? I think the producers confirmed in a podcast that it was the Island that did it, but I'm not sure... can anyone confirm or deny for me?-- Lost Soul talk contribs 09:30, 11 April 2008 (PDT)

Tom told Michael that the Island wouldn't let him die. I've always had a little more trouble with the idea that the Island caused a woman to show up and have an accident to distract Jack; I think it's possible that Jack would never have been able to step off into space.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 16:29, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

Life Extending Properties

While it seems the island gives people "life extensions" to the outside world, it should be noted that if time moves slower on the island people who inhabit it for any portion of time do not actually live longer. 100 years on the island is 100 years...if time off the island is double normal time, they will still only live for 100 years, however they can visit a "future" they would normally not be able to see. An island inhabitant doesn't actually live longer than a normal person in context to the island, itself. Creatingmore 1:37, 28 April 2008 (CST)

Moving the Island

I think this should have its own wiki. I've been trying to find info about the sound that everyone hears when Ben turns the wheel and its pretty bare on here.Petrarch1603 15:25, 5 June 2008 (PDT)

Rewrite

Rewrite complete; updated with Season 4 info. The article still needs episode cross references throughout. Kevrock talk contribs 09:18, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

The new lead lacks something of a build. It jumps right into talk about the Island being a character (with redundancy on the word "own") rather than discussing the Island's unique properties or history or geography or geology or inhabitants. The Island as a character is a concept that requires development. I think it's better to discuss the Island as a setting first, and later get into its "desires and designs", which are only intimated, or ostentatiously bandied about in vague, evangelical terms, on the show. I realize this may be partially my fault since that was language that I included in the lead. I did not mean it to override the other information's presentation. Robert K S (talk) 14:35, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

If that's your biggest complaint, then I consider the rewrite a success! ;) Should be easy to fix w/ the addition of a couple lines.

Kevrock talk contribs 14:57, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

Quote?

What's with the quote? --skks 06:21, 6 April 2006 (PDT)

That was me trying to be, uh... like, creative and stuff. Don't worry; it's been condemned to the Trivia dungeon.

Kevrock talk contribs 15:00, 13 June 2008 (PDT)

I liked the quote. I think it'd make sense to start off some descriptive pages, but not the episode pages, with a quote that conveys some sense of the character or object.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 17:06, 14 June 2008 (PDT)

I did too, but I was over-ruled by admins. <shrug>

Kevrock talk contribs 07:24, 16 June 2008 (PDT)

There are other places in the article you can put the quote--just below the main picture to the right of the table of contents might be a good place, if you can figure out how to position it there--but since we're writing encyclopedia articles and not magazine articles, a stylishly designed quote should never supersede the article lead. Robert K S (talk) 09:12, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

It's no big deal. The line was in the original article and I didn't initially know what to do with it during the rewrite. I think it's in a better place now, anyways. I'm sure there's many more examples of personification we can find, but those few were the ones that immediately came to mind.

Kevrock talk contribs 11:18, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

Still an island?

Are we sure it's still an island? For all we know, it could be an oasis in the desert. Untill we know where the island ended up after Ben moved it, we might want to reconsider how we refer to this place. Knowing how the writers like to mess with our minds, turn things upside down and want us to think outside the box; it wouldn't surprise me if there was no more water surrounding it when we next see it. MrEvers 19:28, 10 August 2008 (PDT)

I'd say we keep as is until confirmed otherwise. -- Sam T C 19:38, 10 August 2008 (PDT)

Well, we have absolutely no evidence at the moment to say that it isn't an Island, but so much in favour of, such as Sayid's quote in "Pilot, Part 1" "HURLEY: Technically, you know, we don't even know if we're on an island. SAYID: We're on an island. " --Blueeagle islander 02:33, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

Keep the Island designation unless we see something else.--Jim in Georgia Talk Contribs 05:45, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

Keep it as "The Island", despite how much as I want to see the season where the Island gets teleported to the Moon.

Kevrock talk contribs 12:28, 13 August 2008 (PDT)

Seeing as the island can be moved. I would say its still an island, but can also be Gods Garden. JJ admitted that everything is mythological, so there is plenty of roads to explore. The Island might be a constant. It exists in all times and space but only purge with the world at one point. For all we know, the island now is in a different time or dimension. --

03:48, 25 August 2008 (PDT)

The Island=Atlantis?

A really rough theory I thought up:

Around the island, there are some mysterious ruined laying around, including pillars, statue remains, and a 'temple' that was possibly on the island before the Dharma Initiative. Ideas:

1. It is the original site of Atlantis, which has mysterious powers

2. It is some other ancient civilization

Either way, the civilization has supernatural abilities and knows the power of how to bend time and space, move the island, and has healing properties. The civilization soon collapsed, prossibly a natural disaster (hence the Atlantis legend), but there is also a chance that there is a large conflict, leaving a handful of survivors. They constantly move the island in order to protect themselves from forces unknown. Years later, the island suddenly moved right at the location of the Black Rock, leaving it stranded on the middle of the island. The crew members of the ship lived with the island inhabitants and taught them english. The bodies of 'Adam and Eve' found by Jack and Kate in the caves are probably a female and male from the Black Rock and the Island who wed, and buried.

Many years later, someone found the island, and the Dharma Initiative was formed. They lived on the island, but the original inhabitants were not able to coexist and a conflict ensured. Soon, the 'others' killed off the Dharma Initiative.

Its honestly hard to say if it is Atlantis or not. One thing is for sure, al the ruins and such are the products of the island transversing through time. When things move in time, it just doesnt go from point A to point B. It literally has to travel in between those points. Therefore, picking things up while moving, is a huge possibility. Also, when one arrives at Point B, there is always the possibility the island ends up in a occupied zone, therefore, merging the two together. This is probably the reason behind why the four toe foot was found on the island. Same goes with the Black Rock, and possibly others that haven't been seen yet. -- 03:42, 25 August 2008 (PDT)

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